Caroleene Dobson storms into our latest Patriot Games discussion, offering a raw and insightful look at Alabama's political turmoil. As we grapple with redistricting chaos and eye the prize of a majority-black district, Caroleene lays out her plan to rally conservative support in the face of electoral bedlam. Her passion is palpable; she's not here just to claim victory but to ensure the values of our Southern stronghold are echoed in Congress, safeguarding a prosperous future for her children and all of Alabama's 2nd Congressional District.
As the conversation unfurls, we cast a spotlight on the bedrock principles that define rural Alabama: unwavering hard work, nurturing humility, and an unshakeable faith in God. These aren't just quaint notions but the lifeblood of the community Caroleene aims to represent. We dissect the challenges these heartland regions face, from feeling neglected by the political elite to the dire need for fiscal restraint and economic revival. It’s a candid look at the unique tapestry of culture that binds these towns together, and the leadership required to honor and elevate their standing on the national stage.
We round out our dialogue with the weighty issues of border security and the leviathan of government spending, topics that resonate from the local diners to the hallowed halls of Washington. Drawing from my own experiences in Mississippi and Texas, we trade tales of triumph over government bloat and explore the intricacies of foreign policy that ripple back to our own backyards. It's a potent mix of grounded, Alabama insights and the larger puzzle pieces of American safety and prosperity, all shared here on Patriot Games with the indomitable Caroleene Dobson.
Caroleene Dobson storms into our latest Patriot Games discussion, offering a raw and insightful look at Alabama's political turmoil. As we grapple with redistricting chaos and eye the prize of a majority-black district, Caroleene lays out her plan to rally conservative support in the face of electoral bedlam. Her passion is palpable; she's not here just to claim victory but to ensure the values of our Southern stronghold are echoed in Congress, safeguarding a prosperous future for her children and all of Alabama's 2nd Congressional District.
As the conversation unfurls, we cast a spotlight on the bedrock principles that define rural Alabama: unwavering hard work, nurturing humility, and an unshakeable faith in God. These aren't just quaint notions but the lifeblood of the community Caroleene aims to represent. We dissect the challenges these heartland regions face, from feeling neglected by the political elite to the dire need for fiscal restraint and economic revival. It’s a candid look at the unique tapestry of culture that binds these towns together, and the leadership required to honor and elevate their standing on the national stage.
We round out our dialogue with the weighty issues of border security and the leviathan of government spending, topics that resonate from the local diners to the hallowed halls of Washington. Drawing from my own experiences in Mississippi and Texas, we trade tales of triumph over government bloat and explore the intricacies of foreign policy that ripple back to our own backyards. It's a potent mix of grounded, Alabama insights and the larger puzzle pieces of American safety and prosperity, all shared here on Patriot Games with the indomitable Caroleene Dobson.
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Speaker 2:And now your host's, greg Phillips. Welcome back to Patriot Games. Today we have a friend of ours, caroline Dobson. Caroline is running for the Alabama 2nd Congressional District's newly configured seat. What happened was there were two districts bumped up right against each other Alabama 1, jerry Carl, a Republican from just outside of Mobile, and Alabama 2, which was Barry Moore's district. Alabama 2, which was Barry Moore's district, the courts came in and decided they wanted to make a mostly black district. So they took Alabama 1 and Alabama 2, mashed them into one. Barry Moore was able to secure the nomination on the Republican side in the first go around, but in the second congressional district the newly configured second congressional district, which is now again configured to be, I think, a majority black, and the court wanted to make a black district. So they did, or they thought they did anyway. And now Caroline and a guy named Dick Brubaker are running in the runoff for the Republican nomination for Alabama's newly configured second congressional district.
Speaker 2:So if you're sufficiently confused, welcome to the club. I mean, they mailed out bad ballots. They did all kinds of crazy things. They couldn't quite figure out what the district lines looked like. I think Montgomery County sent out a bunch of ballots to the wrong people and it was just. It was just a mess. In any case, we are now approaching the runoff and I've invited Caroline Dobson to come in and share with us her thoughts about Alabama's second congressional district and why she thinks she should be the person to represent Alabama. So with that, caroline, welcome to Patriot Games. Thank you so much for coming in today.
Speaker 3:Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:When we first were introduced, that district that they created was, so I think, misplayed by the court. I don't think the court had any real idea what they were doing. They said this idea well, let's just, let's just figure out a way to put Jerry, carl and Barrymore in the same district and the rest of it will make a black district. It almost felt that way to everyone, but now, as you look at it, I mean it's a very winnable district for a Republican.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. Yeah, no, that's very true and that's what I thought. You know, even when I filed, that was my motivation for running, really I. You know it was November 1st, the deadline for filing was November 10th and there was not a single Republican that had stepped up to file. And this isn't a 60-40 district. At the time, you know, we thought it was a 52-48 district, but you know the primary results showed otherwise. Recent polling has shown that it's even more competitive. So you know it's got to be, you know the nominee has got to be a true conservative. I think we've seen enough in a lot of these purple districts where Republicans say go, if we, you know, nominate a moderate, then they'll. No, you need a true conservative that is going to motivate the Republican voters to get out and vote. A moderate doesn't make anyone happy.
Speaker 2:When I first got in politics 40 years ago, there was this thing going around where we wanted any candidate that we helped or worked with or were involved with to be able to articulate who and what they were in 50 words or less. It's not a trick question, but it may seem like it. So why are you doing this? Why did you decide to run?
Speaker 3:I decided to run because I am concerned about the world that my daughters are inheriting, because I am concerned about the world that my daughters are inheriting.
Speaker 3:I'm also so proud to be from Alabama and I've lived other places.
Speaker 3:The minute I found out that I was expecting, my husband and I we were living in Texas at the time I'd gone to law school there and literally the day after I started looking for jobs in Alabama because I wanted to raise my kids in Alabama.
Speaker 3:I think we have the best people on earth, we have incredible natural resources and you cannot beat our values of hard work and humility and faith in God, and we deserve to have leadership in Washington that is fighting to restore our country and fighting for the people of District 2. And I think you know I grew up in a small town, tiny town, I just think rural America, small town America, that's the heart of America and it's being left behind. And so that's another reason that motivated me to run, because I'm seeing from our government leaders that a lot of them have no concept of life outside urban areas, in the suburbs, and that's what we're missing and that's why we keep heading in the wrong direction. Frankly, so kind of getting back to those core values and faith in God and that's probably over 50 words.
Speaker 2:It's fine, it's perfect. I actually grew up in what is now this district and didn't realize it until I was preparing for it, because they picked up that piece of Montgomery kind of that whole southern swath of Montgomery. Now it's changed markedly since the 70s when I lived there, but it really is a not just this district but I think, the state and even maybe the South. We're still very provincial right. I mean people like I've worked in politics all through the South, in Georgia and Alabama and Mississippi and Texas and really everywhere, and while I think it's still very much of a where are you from kind of place, you're not from here or whatever.
Speaker 2:You're, your people yeah, your opponent seems to want to do that for some unknown reason, there's still an appreciation for all of the things that you said, for faith and for hard work, and I mean that district in particular. I mean there's a lot of hardworking folks down there. You know whether it's. You know folks that grew up and live on farms to. You know even small-town America. I mean there are very few places that are as representative in the United States, I believe, that are as representative of what I call the Big South kind of the conservative America, than Alabama's new second congressional district.
Speaker 3:No, no, I think that's very true. And, for instance, friday night I was in Chatham, in Washington County, at a ballpark and there are all sorts of Little League games going on and every team was praying together before each game. You know, and you, just, you don't see that anymore and that's again that's what we've got to get back to hard work, humility, faith and you know, yeah, provincialism, I think you know it's not a pejorative in this case, that is kind of, and you know, again, a lot of the folks that live in our cities in Mobile, montgomery came from small towns and still have those values and that's why, you know, I think you have the quality of life that you do in Mobile and Montgomery, because people are close-knit and they care about each other and they care about making their communities better and I've witnessed that throughout this district. Troy is a great example Incredible civic engagement, amazing the city of Sims. They're growing by leaps and bounds, very thoughtfully and trying to stay, you know, to grow and create opportunities, but stay true to their agrarian roots because they're the home to over 100 nurseries. So it's really been, I mean, it's been inspiring. It's been really interesting to see how a lot of these different parts of the district, the commonalities that they share again, which I think are those kind of core Alabama values.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's really true. Growing up in that district and sort of knowing it, as I did, I mean, whether it was you know dove hunting down in Pentlala or you know and now it's grown so much I mean Pentlala is sort of adjacent to it for those of you who don't know adjacent to a really big automobile plant.
Speaker 3:Right right.
Speaker 2:And the whole thing has changed so much. I tell people a story about we used to Pentlala Creek, used to cross under a county highway and we would get in the bridge that crossed over. It was about about 60 feet so you could, you could drop a, you could drop a ski rope off of it and and and not barely hit the bottom, and we used to get up on this on this bridge and jump off the bridge as a car was coming by, or we would have somebody standing up there and another one push somebody off the bridge and cars would come slamming doing a stop. But that was old school, alabama, second Crest. I'm pretty sure kids aren't doing that these days, or at least I hope they're not.
Speaker 3:No, that's a beautiful area. I think Pentlala-Snowdon is some of the prettiest land, best Spanish moss in the state.
Speaker 3:And that's. I feel like a lot of people don't even know Woodley Road. That's the Seven Bridges Road in the Eagle Song and it's just, it's a magical area but there's so many pockets of that there. I mean again, it's just. This is an incredible district. So much of Alabama history is St Stephen's, the first capital, Montgomery, the last Capitol is in this district. The Phoenix City story, that's in this district. So it's been my privilege to have gotten to meet with so many people that have lived that history Rosa Parks, obviously, Hank Aaron down in Mobile so it's just been an incredible opportunity and it's an incredible district.
Speaker 2:So, when you get elected, what is it that you believe you can bring to Alabama's second congressional district and really really the South I mean the congresspeople that are there today are all whether you're in Georgia. I mean, when I was helping Barry in his race, marjorie Taylor Greene came down and the Southern congresspeople are are are really, especially the conservative ones are very close knit. Um, what do you think you'll be able to bring to that?
Speaker 3:Well, a continued commitment, um, you know, first and foremost to cutting government spending. Um, we've got to have, we've got to increase our Republican majority and we've got to have more strong conservatives with a backbone who are willing to say enough is enough. And if that means shutting down the government to get everyone's attention, that's what it's going to take and I think it's important to remember too, when we shut the government down, our military continues to get their paychecks and people that are on social security get their social security benefits, but you know, it's going to take a government shutdown to. We're about to go off a financial cliff and that's why I think, you know, especially the Southern conservatives are seem to be more attuned to that and seem to be, like we were talking about earlier, kind of the Scotch-Irish fight in us, seem to be willing to kind of take a stand. But that's what we've got to do, got to have more people that are willing to stop kicking the can down the road. Of course we've also got to fight for our border security. I mean and I hope that there is that there has been some resolution to our border before. I would have the opportunity to be sworn in in January because I think, on a daily basis, we continue to be invaded and the safety of every American is being jeopardized increasingly daily, as long as our borders are flung open. But if that is still in crisis mode in January, that would also you know, of course, of course, be, you know, a priority, and then also just fighting back against the regulatory state.
Speaker 3:I think the legislative branch as a whole has got to curb the power of the executive branch. President Trump in 2020, the regulatory bill of rights that was such a huge victory for the private citizen and the small business owner and unheard of for the executive branch to curb its own power. Of course, you didn't hear anything about that on the mainstream media. Trump got no credit for that and again, the first president in history to try to curb his own power for the benefit of the average American citizen. But that's got to be codified. In addition to just scaling back all of this agency and we abolish some agencies we need to scale a lot of them back, really probably all of them back.
Speaker 2:I spent a good bit of time in my career doing exactly that and I can tell you that it takes a strength of character and backbone to cut government, really cut it. You know, in DC cutting means cutting the rate of growth. It doesn't mean you're actually going to cut. It means you're going to grow at 6% instead of 7% and then they all freak out and end up not cutting anything and adding a percent and the next thing, you know, you add 10% new employees. My career took me to Mississippi where my job was really to cut the size of government. So the governor put me in a couple of different departments and my job was really to cut the size of government. So the governor put me in a couple of different departments and my job was to cut it. I ended up because of that experience and me being maybe the only one in America that had ever done that at the time, and even now, rick Perry hired me to come out when he was governor in Texas to come out and do that to the Health and Human Services Commission.
Speaker 2:We had a $4 billion current year deficit that we had to solve in Health and Human Services. So we had a. I think we had an $80 billion biennial budget. We had 65,000 employees. We let go or I let go of 25,000 of employees. We fixed the budget so we saved thousands, millions and millions and millions of dollars, mostly just taking on like big pharma. I mean we cut big pharma's, I mean way out of everything. Right. But I could tell you that there are few to no people that I know. There's a lot of people that talk really big Republicans, democrats, whatever, including in Congress that have the backbone to actually cut government. What they'll tell you is oh, you can't do it. They're civil service, they're this, they're that. Biden's made some recent moves to solidify some of those false positions. But I'll tell you, if we don't do this, I just don't know. Your daughters, my granddaughter, my grandson, I mean these kids are coming into an environment that we've never witnessed in 80 years, 90 years. We've never seen this before and it's about to get ugly.
Speaker 3:It is, it is no, and that's what we've got to take action. And again, that's another reason that we need more strong conservatives.
Speaker 2:We need to stop sending moderate Republicans, because it's a battle, it really is, I jokingly said recently, everybody's beating up on Speaker Johnson, and rightly so. With some of the things that have happened recently, people don't really understand what it's like to be the Speaker. To be a conservative in that role is really tough. He has a one-vote margin now and it's really hard, and so I half-joked on him the other day, tweeted that that or pushed out on the true social that. Here's what I think Johnson should do. He should walk in, bring everybody to order and then just say look, no more bills, no more spending. This, this chamber, is adjourned. I'll see you in January and it's a lot for sure. But they've got.
Speaker 2:I think they have 57 days left actually in session, and I believe that America, this is hard to understand or even swallow, but it's possible that what I'm saying is right. If we are better off, if you don't spend any more money, if you don't do any more bills, surely we'd have to have some emergency capability if something bad happened, whatever, I don't know about that. But as for regular order and regular business, we don't need any more laws, we don't need any more spending. What we need to do is we need a new Congress in, we need a new president in. We need a new administration and they need to get together and figure out what in the world are we going to do about this spending problem, and it's a problem. We spend $6 billion a day that we don't have.
Speaker 3:Right right.
Speaker 2:A day.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then everybody gets all mad because somebody's sending $6 billion or $5 billion to do this, $5 billion to do that. It's just insane.
Speaker 3:No, it is, it is Definitely. I mean it's troubling and we don't talk about it enough. I feel like, again, it's just something we cannot keep postponing, that's right.
Speaker 2:When I lived in Texas because of my role at Health and Human Services, I had a unique perspective on the border and what was happening. This was a number of years ago, but nevertheless, I mean, it was during the time that Bush was contemplating, you know, building the 20-foot wall with hooks over the top so you could just basically throw, you know, you could basically lasso the top and pull yourself over. And then Trump, you know, came up with a different wall type. I want to ask you this, because you have a unique perspective on the border, because of your family ties and everything in the Valley and in South Texas in general, it seems to me that, at least from what I've seen coming out of Panama and I've actually been there in the last few weeks what I see coming across the border, what I see Mexico allowing, what I see coming across the border, what I see Mexico allowing, it seems to me that there are some fundamental things that we could do, not to spend a lot more money or any more money, but just to solidify this. And so my three points if I could just get your reaction on these were the first thing we need to do is we need to get on the phone with Mexico and tell them you have 24 hours to stop this. And if they say, or what? What are you going to do? Easy, Just shut it down. Just shut it down, no more trade. We'll block your ports. We'll do everything, no more.
Speaker 2:The reason I know that will work is when we remember back in January when Abbott sued, or Abbott was sued, and then the Supreme Court ruled and all this type of stuff. They all needed to have all meaning. All politicians needed to be able to get a win right. So you had all these governors coming down to Eagle Pass, down to Shelby Park and Eagle Pass, and they basically blocked off Eagle Pass so that everybody could have their photo ops is what the deal was. But what also happened when we went down there during that time is there were nothing. We didn't see one migrant. We went up and down the border. We didn't see one. You know why Mexico held 15,000 of them at their southern border in advance of that so that everybody could get their photo ops, so that they wouldn't get in trouble.
Speaker 3:It's a game, it is.
Speaker 2:So Mexico does that or we do it. The second thing I think we ought to do anyway is I think we need to defoliate the poppy fields. There are heroin-growing poppy fields 90,000 acres, within 200 miles of the United States 90,000 acres. We have a lot of napalm, a lot of chemicals left from the Vietnam War we have no idea what to do with. You run it through sorties through there. You wipe out their poppy fields.
Speaker 2:You know, I guarantee you, the cartels will react. You know they don't want this to happen. So they're going to tell Mexico you've got to stop this or this is a problem, right? The second major thing we need to do is we need to and I think Trump's the only one that actually would do or could do this I'm not even sure if he will fully do it or not but you have to have a mass deportation. The reason they're coming is because they have no hope of, they don't care, they're not going to get deported, no matter what happens. And then the final thing is they really do need to finish up Trump's border wall. Yes, absolutely, and so do you have any?
Speaker 3:I mean, you've got your family that is down there, yeah yeah, my husband has family in South Texas and this has been going on a long, long time. I mean, mexico for decades has just relinquished control of its country to the cartels and I hear a lot of people here say, oh well, mexico is such a poor country. Or people that go on mission trips to our church actually had a mission trip to Mexico and they were saying it was a school for the deaf that they were building and fortunately the cartel didn't bother us because one of the cartel members has a deaf child. I mean, we're at the point where you have to negotiate. Churches are having to negotiate with the cartel to do mission work, but that just shows you, I mean, and it's not. The thing is it doesn't have to be a poor country. It does not have our network of inland waterways, but other than that it has got incredible natural resources silver, oil and gas, obviously so much coast. You know, mexico could be a partner and they could be a peer if they would take control of their country, and I think for too long.
Speaker 3:In general, you know, I feel like US foreign policy. We've got very nuanced, developed foreign policy stances with respect to the Baltic states, to nations in Europe, and then we're ignoring all of our neighbors to the south. I mean, I can count on not even can't even count on one hand, the number of democracies in Latin America and we just ignore it. I mean we ignore Venezuela's invasion of Guyana. And you know, and that's the thing too, it's. You know, when America was a young nation, one of our early foreign policy developments was the Monroe Doctrine. I mean, our forefathers recognized the importance of, you know, this hemisphere and ensuring that. You know that there is, you know, appropriate leadership and that you know we not necessarily are unified, because we never will be, but that this hemisphere isn't in turmoil, and we're never.
Speaker 3:You know, we need to absolutely close the border. We have got to take unprecedented measures to deport everyone who's here illegally. We have got to change the policy that a child born to illegal aliens is entitled to US citizenship. It's not, it should not be. So we've got to take those efforts.
Speaker 3:But again, growing up, my mom's favorite expression was nip it in the bud. And we're never going to nip it in the bud until we get to the root of the problem, which is the fact that most of our neighbors to the south have no control over their countries. It's run by drug cartels, it's run by communists. It's, you know, so much of Latin America is being reverse colonized by China. You know, china buys one third of Brazil's exports. China is the primary owner of a lithium mine in Bolivia, you know. And again, as long as these countries continue to fail, they're prime territory for the cartel to take over, prime territory for China to come in and invest and provide illusory opportunities for the people there in exchange for, you know, global domination in exchange for global domination. So we've got to take a tougher stance towards Mexico, but we've got to focus on what's happening to our South, certainly.
Speaker 2:One of the things and this is that Scott's Irish fighter in me that really has frustrated me in your race has been your opponent and some of the things that he has come out and said I'm just going to tell everybody, all of my listeners, everybody I'm not a Dick Brubaker fan. I've never been. He and I are the same age. We grew up together in Montgomery. I'm just not a fan, and so get that out. That's not her saying, it, it's me.
Speaker 2:What I don't understand about him is this guy. I don't know if he's just a flat out elitist, I don't know what it is, but but you know, he had the audacity to have his people reach out to me to see if I would get Trump to endorse him in the, in the primary, not even in the runoff in the primary. And as I started digging around and looking at this and as I said, I don't care for him, so don't torch me, I don't care, I just don't like him I learned that he said that he called Trump an adulterer. He has been absolutely a never Trump in his approach, in his words.
Speaker 2:Not only would I not support President Trump endorsing him, but I mean I don't think the Alabama 2nd Congressional District. He just doesn't match up with them. He's not hardworking, he's not. I mean, he missed. I think I read somewhere he missed 22 critical votes while he was in the Alabama State Senate. And if you do that in the Congress, if we have a very thin margin, like we had now, and he just decides not to show up, Right right.
Speaker 2:This just doesn't work. It doesn't work, no, no, I mean he's just. I'm not asking you to comment, I just he's not hardworking enough. He doesn't have the passions he doesn't care. I think he cares about him, I think he cares about his friends. I think he cares about a few people in Montgomery, but about his friends. I think he cares about a few people in Montgomery, but I don't think he cares about, you know, folks in Ramer or folks from your hometown. I just don't. I just don't think he cares. What is, in your view, what is the difference between you and Dick Brubaker?
Speaker 3:Well, I think. First, there's a difference in values. If you look at his voting record, it's one of a moderate. You know he voted with every Democrat in the state Senate in a bill that passed 14 to 13, to reduce penalties for falsifying voter ID cards. Now more than ever, we need to be cracking down. I mean, you know election interference is such a problem and will continue to be so with the influx of eight to 10 million illegal aliens that have come here since Biden's taken office. We need someone who is cracking down on this, not someone, and but that's. Voter ID issues and fraud has been a problem in Alabama for a long time and I'm grateful for the state Senate in this legislative session. You know their first bill was addressing ballot harvesting, but this has been a problem for a long time. So you know, voted for the largest tax hike in Alabama history. You know. So there's a difference of values and priorities and just being in touch with what's going on and standing for conservative values. But then there's also a difference in work ethic too.
Speaker 3:You know, look, since November 1, I have been putting in 16-hour days in this district not to drum up voters but to hear from the people in this district Again. I grew up in rural Monroe County. I live in Montgomery district not to drum up voters but to hear from the people in this district. Again, I grew up in rural Monroe County. I live in Montgomery now, but I realize that that's just, you know experiences in just two of these counties and there's so much that I, and still you know every day I realize what more I don't know, that I need to know. But we have, you know, such a varied you know this district because of of the way that you know it was not designed with any sort of geographical common sense. It was designed, you know, as you discussed, to have to have a higher black voter voting age population. So so you know there's there's a lot of varied interests, a lot of varied needs in this district and in order to represent all of this district, I felt it was my duty to get out there and meet people.
Speaker 3:I've committed to, even though I've got a husband and two young daughters in Montgomery, I committed to spending two days a week in Mobile because there's so many industries there that are very niche to the coastal area. You know, you have, of course, and then the Port of Mobile, but you have shipbuilding, you have fishing. You know so many industries that I didn't know anything about that are. Snapper, for instance, is very heavily federally regulated, and you know, I didn't know anything about that growing up on a cattle farm in Monroe County. So so it's um.
Speaker 3:You know, I felt that it wasn't just um, it didn't just behoove me as a candidate, but if, if, I'm actually going to represent these people, I've got to spend time out in these communities. I've, I've been to to Petrie, I've been to Goshen, you know I, you know, got to that's. And again, I feel like a lot of folks in small-town America feel ignored right now and feel left behind, and so that's also been a goal of mine to spend time with them, sit down at their kids' ballgames, go to their church, fish fries and really hear from them, and I don't see my opponent doing that.
Speaker 2:Well, that's because he's not. He's home doing whatever he does. You don't have a lot of time left for the primary. What are you going to do between now and then? And then, how do you feel that the I feel the momentum behind you is growing? I mean, I think everybody I've talked to down there. I was down there last week meeting with some mutual friends of ours and we got into a really interesting conversation about it. It was actually the day of your debate that we thought was quite interesting. Do you feel the momentum while you're out there?
Speaker 3:I do, I do, I do and I it's you know. But at the same time, you know, that's what kind of keeps inspiring me is. I feel like every day I meet someone who's working so hard to make a difference in their community and that inspires me to, because I mean, I'm human like anyone. I get tired or frustrated in this process can definitely kind of get you down at times. But then you just have to stay focused on the people that are working so hard to make their communities better and I'm like gosh, they really deserve to have a leader who is or not even a leader a representative who is fighting for them in Washington, and so that kind of keeps me focused.
Speaker 3:And so this next week again, I'm going to be back in every single county in the district between now and next Tuesday, just trying to again meet with more folks and let them know what I stand for and also just encouraging them to get out to vote. This is the only race on the ballot in many counties, so I think turnout, unfortunately, is going to be low. So just encouraging people to, you know, to go to the polls on Tuesday. It won't take long, it's just. It's just one race.
Speaker 2:It's going to be big lines, right?
Speaker 3:Right so.
Speaker 2:One of the one of the the curiosities is what I brought up in the beginning. The way this district was configured by the courts was to basically create a new black district. That's what they wanted to do, and so they pitted, you know, barry against Jerry Carl, and they just assumed that this would be a black district, and the court was pretty unabashed about their opinion on this. John Wall, the chairman of the Alabama GOP, and I spoke the other day and had some pretty detailed conversations about this, and we're working on some plans to build what we're calling community grants, and it's going to be grants of data and grants of things that local candidates can use. In so doing, john and I have spent some bit of time talking about this that this district is very winnable, and not necessarily by a Republican or a Democrat, but by somebody like you. I think that holds those values that those rural districts have.
Speaker 2:People that think that just because, say, all the blacks in Montgomery are going to vote one way, say, all the blacks in Montgomery are going to vote one way, or all the people out in rural America, but in this case rural Alabama, are going to vote the way that some court said that they were going to. It's insulting, it is insulting, it's racist and it's insulting. But I mean, I have friends that I grew up with in Montgomery. I know people in the district that are African American. This is not what everybody thinks it is. I mean, I think there's a chance that with Trump on the ballot and his pull toward African Americans that has been fairly profound, a big change. I think there's a real chance to win this district. This isn't just a giveaway anymore. No, no, and that's why it's important, I think, that we elect you, or that we nominate you and then ultimately elect you. Are you seeing any of that out?
Speaker 3:there. Oh, absolutely Last night I was in Mobile and talking to several black voters who were saying you know, I don't, I'm not necessarily a Republican. You know, I don't know if they were willing to characterize themselves as a Republican necessarily, but they're saying I do feel left behind by the Democrat Party. You know I'm a God fearing, hardworking taxpayer trying to. I was talking to one woman, for instance, who she and her husband had started a FedEx business in Mobile.
Speaker 3:And so they were saying you know, the insurance that they're paying is astronomical.
Speaker 3:When they buy a new truck, they have to pay the 12% heavy duty commercial vehicle excise tax.
Speaker 3:And then you know, they're very involved in their church and they considered, of course, like all of us all of us did Biden's Transgender Visibility Day just a slap in the face and they said you know, we that's. You know, if we were Democrats, we're not anymore, and I think more and more Democrats are waking up to the fact that you know what what a Democrat means is now been, you know, hijacked by the far left, and that limited government and conservative policies are the ones that are going to, you know, ensure that their kids can freely worship God, create opportunities. So many of the small business owners in this district are minority and the barrier to entry for a small business owner to just get off the ground has never been higher due to increased government spending, inflation, taxes, overregulation, everything that Biden's been doing to our economy, and then, of course, the border crisis. I mean that concerns every single American white voters, black voters, hispanic voters that you know. I think that you saw that even in 2020, with Trump carrying so many of the border counties in Texas.
Speaker 2:You know those were red for the first time. It's going to be profound this time.
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely yeah, so so no, I absolutely believe that this district is winnable if we have a true conservative who is willing to put in the work.
Speaker 2:So have you all been able to estimate how many votes or what turnout is going to look like?
Speaker 3:Unfortunately, we think it's probably going to be about 10 percent, if that.
Speaker 2:We estimated on the high side, maybe 14.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's just not a lot of folks. I mean, there's going to be a very light turnout. I'm optimistic for you that this is going to go your way. I'm even more optimistic that, with you as the nominee, that we'll have a chance to win that district in November. Is there anything else you'd like to tell everybody? I mean, you're an amazing person.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:I tell people all the time that people ask you why don't you run for something? I mean run for the border maybe.
Speaker 3:I mean I'm not running away from the border right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, true, well, listen, this has been a great visit. Well, I just want to thank Caroline Dobson for taking the time and driving all the way up to Birmingham to visit with us. The Alabama second congressional district primary is next Tuesday, a critically important time for both Alabama and the United States of America. We've got to have more people like her engaging in the process and really look forward to supporting her in the general election. I believe we can win this district and I believe a lot of folks here in Alabama believe that as well. So thanks so much for joining us on Patriot Games. I'm Greg Phillips. I'll see you next week.
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